I
was recently asked by a reader on the possible maintenance costs of running a
first generation Porsche Cayenne (2003-2010) in Malaysia. The first
thing that crossed my mind was money. Lots of money required to do
so. The infamous saying that if you have to ask means you cannot
afford it comes to mind. But then again, this is Malaysia, there
could be a hope in hell with all the Cayennes you see running around
the country. Anyway, I asked a few people, poked around a bit and
found out a bit more about the SUV that basically saved Porsche from
an early death. I have informed the chap and I believe that I should share some of the findings with you folks out there.
The
first generation Type 9PA (955/957) Porsche Cayenne is a luxury SUV/Crossover
made by Porsche. It looks unmistakably Porsche. The initial
development of this was by Porsche and Volkswagen of which the
Touareg was born. The base/platform body shell and doors are shares
with the Touareg but everything else is by Porsche (suspension
mounts, extra chassis work, mechanicals, electrics, interior etc).
The base model Cayenne 3.2 however shares a VW 3.2 VR6 engine with
the Touareg (later with a 3.5liter VR6 – 2007 onwards). The 'full
Porsche' Cayennes are the higher capacity ones with the 4.8liter V8
engines.
Anyway,
the base Cayenne (250-280hp) is slow (0-100kmh in 8.1secs in
automatic), heavy and consumes fuel due to its bad power to weight
ratio. It weighs over 2050kg. Heavy shit. Enough said. So your
better choices are the Cayenne S, GTS, Turbo and Turbo S variants
(340-540hp). Of course, this means maintaining a 4.5liter V8. Lots of
engine oil and lots of spark plugs too.
As
for maintaining the first generation, expect the following sundry
items. Note that the figures stated are ballpark estimates. If you
can find cheaper parts. Good for you then.
Cayennes
run 18inch wheels for the base model, 20inch and 21inch for the
higher model S (optional spec), GTS and Turbos. Tyre costs for 20
inch tyres from RM900 for some cheapo Indonesian, China, Taiwan made
tyres that actually tell me you cannot even afford proper brands to
about RM2,000 for a proper set of tyres whose make comes from the
same continent as the Porsche. Some run the 21 inch wheel and tyre
combo. So pay more of course.
Brake
pads can cost over rm600 per pair for non turbo and more for turbo
models. Discs and pads package can cost rm4000 before you add in any
labour. All Cayenne Turbo run full air suspension. Those that run
Mercedes S-class would call them the airmatic suspension. Very
comfortable and works for such a large and heavy car like the Cayenne
but is prone to go because of the weight, the Malaysian humidity and
also our road conditions. Which means if they go...which they usually
do here in Malaysia like those using W220 and above Mercedes S-class
will know. So expect to pay rm2000(+-500-1000) per strut excluding
labour...not per pair when they do. In a Mercedes S-class you can get
for about RM1,000 for a reconditioned one. Doubt you can get that price for a
Porsche part here.
If
the airmatic pump that controls the suspension goes, expect to pay
RM4,500 without labour. If you feel this is too much, try the steel
sprung GTS variant. But this too has variable damping rates from the
PASM system. So dampers aren't cheap too but should last longer than
the air suspended Turbo models.
Other
parts like propshaft bearings cost rm600-700 before labour. This part
is know to fail when the kilometers pile up. Usually after 120,000km
or so. Starter motor around RM800-RM1,000. The fuel pump is anywhere
from RM700 for non turbo to RM3,000 for turbo models. All depending
on who the supplier is and how original the part is. The car is not
cheap to maintain.
Now
comes the regular servicing costs. You need at least two 4 liter
packs of engine oil with the very, very recommended Porsche oil
ratings. This would cost you about RM400+. No rubbish oil from Tesco
or Carrefour if you want that engine to last. You do want that engine
to last as you'd be looking at something over RM50,000 (just an
estimate) for a complete Cayenne V8 rebuild.
The
oil filter is anywhere from RM100-150 depending on your sources. The
air filter is cheap as you can use a K&N filter that can be
cleaned throughout ownership. This is under RM400 (RM100 or so for an
OE filter that you need to change every 40,000km or so I believe). So
expect even an oil change to be somewhere in the region of RM1,000.00
to RM2,500.00 depending on other small consumables (like eight long
life spark plugs when they are due). There usually is considering
that the oldest Cayenne is now over ten years old. If it were me, and
I don't have at least RM5,000 in my pocket I would not head to the
nearest mechanic to get my old Cayenne serviced.
Anyway,
the first generation Porsche Cayenne also likes eating front tyres.
Actually tyres all round as they are heavy. They consume petrol as
they are heavy too. They consume propshaft center bearings too. Oh. A
lot of V8 Cayennes have a problem with the Alusil cylinder bore
liners. The aluminium silica (69%alu, 31%sil) lining is there to
keep the cylinders running smooth with little friction but somehow
they don't last. What you get out of this is engine knocking and
sometimes, by the time you realise, its too late and you may have to
spend over RM50,000 for a rebuild.
Some
Cayenne Turbos are also notorious for engine oil consumption. Most
probably because of the alusil liners being worn out prematurely. A
brave friend of mine said that he once did a drive in his Cayenne Turbo to Lumut and back,
and he had to top up some oil into the engine both ways. He suggests
looking at the oil levels every 1,500km to make sure the oil level
does not dip too low. He is a brave lad for running a Cayenne in my
opinion.
Some
also suffer from cooling pipe issues as some original cooling pipes
have plastic V joints. If its not changed to the later aluminium
replacement shit may happen.
So
after gathering all of that and chatting to some first generation Cayenne owners.Some say avoid it at all costs. Some have suggested buying the second generation 2010 onwards Cayenne models. I
have concluded that you CAN run a first generation Porsche Cayenne if
you print money for a living. If you do not, you should be like me. I
have decided that I cannot for the life of me afford to run a
Cayenne. I know I can actually come up with the RM98,000 asking price
of the Cayenne S pictured below from Mudah.my, but no. Nope.
Never. Aside from the fact that I do not fancy SUVs and that the rear
seats do not allow good posture to anyone sitting there, I Might as
well shoot myself in the head, whilst asking a samurai to slice off
my head at the same time together with someone administering a dose
of lethal injection at one go. The maintenance costs are a tad too
extravagant for a poor soul like me. Furthermore, I abhor frequenting
the mechanic these days. Takes too much of my time. Which is why I
prefer reliable cars like what I run these days. There are better
things to do than look at cars that need help.
And
with that, all you first generation Cayenne owners and ex-owners, you
have my sympathy as well as my utmost respect for buying and then running
one.
10 comments:
hey nice article! it would be great if you could write this article as a regular. youve been saying a lot about s-class.. its my favorite car of all time..it would be great if you could write an article about maintaining an s-class..
Thank you for the nice words. Yes I have been saying alot about the S-class. I suppose it is superfluous with luxury in these parts of the world and a benchmark of sorts. Even in terms of cost and maintenance. As for an article on the S-class, there are many S-class to choose from. I have the intention to write one on the W140 or even the W221 variant, but it may take some time before I get down to it.
Regards
wow. just read this writings Feb 2016!. super report and what-people-want-to-know stuff. could pls do this as regular, maybe starting with bottom of the rut, BMW 3s and Mercedes Cs, tx big@fan
Hello,
Thanks for visiting. BTW I just wrote a piece about the W220 Mercedes Benz S-class. So do head over to that article first. And yes, I shall be slowly doing articles on other older cars too. But it may take awhile....in between test drives, launches and other stuff too. Just come visit here often...and do spread the word....
regards,
Luckily I found this article... Almost commit to purchase an unregister 2004 3.2 V6 (Japan Spec - 25k on the clock) nice body and interior...car kept in covered storage/yard since import in 2011...radio change (sign to radio/electronic issue - maybe) everything else nice porky look....he...he...u save me man...hugh THANK YOU!
You're welcome.
Im thinking of getting one of these... but still considering... collecting intel... after reading.. its just better that i get a e class. Thks a load dude..
Mindblown, such an extensive write up.
I was looking forward on having this model due to the umph factor, (it's a Porsche nevertheless).
Thank you for saving me from suffering in the future. Kudos to you.
Hello. Thank you for reading the article. Its all about having a big fat bank account when you want to maintain something like the Cayenne.
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